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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2010, 01:00:45 AM »

So just how old does a coin have to be, to be classified as ancient?

The division of history into "ancient", "mediaeval" and "modern" was largely an invention of Renaissance historians. They declared themselves to be "modern" and considered everything before their time to be "mediaeval". The "ancient" age was held to have ended with the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476 AD. It has very little practical meaning in non-European contexts, but is still often applied there by Western collectors. China, for instance, never really had a "dark age" in the same sense that Europe did.

Personally, I use the following definitions for my coin collection.

"Ancient" is anything from the invention of coinage up to 500 AD. It's a convenient break for us numismatists because in 498 AD the "Eastern Roman" emperor Anastasius I reformed the coinage, effectively beginning the "Byzantine series". Thus, everything "Roman" is ancient, everything "Byzantine" is mediaeval.

The end of the mediaeval period is somewhat arbitrarily set at 1450 AD. Some historians and collectors try to tie the beginning of the "modern" period to a specific historical event or marker, such as 1453 (the fall of Constantinople and the end of Byzantine Empire), 1492 (Columbus discovering new world), 1517 (the start of the Protestant Reformation), 1518 (introduction of the thaler coin) or 1601 (beginning of Krause catalogues).

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Those are good dates and historical markers too.

I think the 1400 to 1600 period is kind of a no-man's land. Some people (because of Columbus, the Reformation, etc) put that period in the modern era but on other internet lists I have seen discussions quite regularly regarding coins from that period on both ancient lists and modern world lists. Ditto for commercial websites like Vcoins.com and non-commercial ones like coinarchives.com.

A colleague of mine, Wayne Sayles has a good book out about what he calls "non-classical" ancient coins. Wayne's books are very good and avoid too much technical jargon. Wayne has been a collector/dealer for a very long time and knows his stuff. He also has a book out about Byzantine (also called Romaion) coins. They are very good introductory books on the topics.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2010, 03:36:29 AM »

I have a few ancients but lack the knowledge to actively pursue them. But NOW we have someone to turn to!!!  I can see my collection expanding again!!! Wink
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2010, 03:59:56 AM »

 Grin  Cheesy  Shocked  Roll Eyes The only 'Ancient' in my house is me! Wink  Cheesy  Grin  Shocked  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2010, 04:10:57 AM »

I guess I REALLY do love ancients then!!! I have soooooo many sweethearts in OZ! Wink
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 04:17:32 AM »

My kids said I was Ancient and I told them no, I was only medieval and my wife said she knew that was wrong becouse she knows that I'm full evil.  Grin  Grin 

Seriously though really good info. Keep it up.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2010, 06:46:02 AM »

I love the background information on ancient and medieval coins...but, I absolutely love PYW's gold and Egs silver proofs.
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2010, 07:10:04 AM »

'Old' topic I know but just took the coins out for their next rinse. After another  6months in olive oil
Some detail is beginning to show on a few. others are showing no improvement.

the coin on the bottom is the control coin. they were all in this shape when I got them.
Back into fresh olive oil to start year 4...


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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2010, 01:19:02 PM »

Nice set of rocks you have there Nohope  Grin Grin
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2010, 03:22:44 PM »

'Old' topic I know but just took the coins out for their next rinse. After another  6months in olive oil
Some detail is beginning to show on a few. others are showing no improvement.

the coin on the bottom is the control coin. they were all in this shape when I got them.
Back into fresh olive oil to start year 4...




If these coins are not "expensive" you might try electroysis
My friend the retired coindealer does that and half came out superb the other half was
ruined by pitting . I think he got to impatient and used too much current
You have however to change the bath every few hours to keep the electrolytes up .

I only plated iron with bronze at the university and that was in a sodium cyanate bath with
a liter poison duh under an extraction hood.
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2010, 04:28:40 PM »

AFTER READING ALL THE INPUT.......MAYBE WE  SHOULD CALL THIS TOPIC "DR. NUMISMATIC HAS SPOKEN"........AS WELL ARE SOUNDING LIKE A CLINIC.......WE COULD HAVE AN ASK THE DOCTOR COLUMN WHERE PEOPLE COULD AS QUESTIONS AND MAYBE GET A FEW GOOD ANSWERS........... Huh Huh Huh

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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2010, 07:20:46 AM »

I will post some pics here too when I get a chance. Nice coins shown here thus far. Keep 'em coming!  Grin
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2010, 09:01:12 AM »

WEREN'T THE "PICS" A TRIBE IN THE BRITISH ISLES Huh Huh Huh

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2010, 03:52:02 PM »

WEREN'T THE "PICS" A TRIBE IN THE BRITISH ISLES Huh Huh Huh

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Sorry Empler, your missing a "T"  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2010, 05:34:06 PM »

HANKS YASS...I HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL OVER HE PLACE BU I JUS CAN' FIND HAT DARN HING ANYWHERE.........MAYBE I COULD BUY A CONSONAN  LIKE HEY DO ON ELEVISION.....BU I SUPPOSE HA WOULD BE OO EASY.....WELL I WILL KEEP URNING HINGS OVER ILL I FIND HA LEER......IF YOU HAVE ONE O SELL LE  ME KNOW

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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2010, 06:06:56 PM »

      "T" ...............  Here Joe, borrow mine!   Grin
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